--------------------Comment by Dr. W. Craig Carter---------------- Dear Prof. Kim, Thank you once again for organizaing such a delightful and informative workshop. I hope the following comments do not arrive too late. Random Comments 1. The idea of the workshop was very interesting. The realization that there is a large intellectual disparity between fields mechanics-mathematics-materials science on which topics are pertinent for nanoscale science made a large impact on me. Not only was there confusion on the pertinent scales which must be considered, there is little agreement on appropriate techniques and levels of rigor which must be applied to nanomechanical behavior. 2. I think it is important to understand how techniques are implemented at various scales. It would be useful if the challenges which come from crossing between scales could be alleviated by agreed formats for data exchange, an attempt to collect results and convey them to related fields, and whenever possible produce example software which allows others to adopt techniques across scales. 3. Candor must always be applied on what a particular technique can and cannot do considering reasonable computational resources. This should be considered as part of the scientific ettiquete and necessary for useful communication between scales. When new techniques are developed, comparisons to existing techniques (if they exist) to do the same types of problems should always be presented. 4. The polymer and biomaterials communities present us with interesting challenges which focus on complex molecules and their interactions. We should not attempt to oversimplify these problems when we work on them if we intend to make serious progress. 5. When we begin investigations in a new field, it is appropriate to carefully consider what progress has been made, what is accepted as the standard models and credit those who have made progress. 6. We need to distinguish between those phenomena which truly do not scale with size in an expected way from those for which boundary conditions begin to have a large influence on the solution. Scale-dependent constitutive properties should not be confused with boundary condition dependent properties. 7. The theory and modelling researchers need to make an effort to understand the meaning and interpretation of new materials characterization. 8. The mathematicians have a lot to offer us, we ought to pay more attention to what they are saying. -------------------Comment by Dr. R.W. Carpick----------------------- Thank you again for the opportunity to attend and present at the NSF workshop. I learned quite a great deal, and it was especially useful for me to make contact with people in the mechanics community. I am writing you with some feedback and ideas regarding the topics that were discussed. I was struck by the fact that several studies, both theory and experiment, indicate that continuum mechanics still 'works' at the nanometer scale. My own friction results are consistent with this, but also Rob Philips' work, David Srolovitz, Pharr's results, and others, indicate that in a variety of situations, continuum mechanics can be consistently applied. Still, we cannot use continuum mechanics to extract materials parameters - only experiment or atomistic theories tell us this. The relevance is that continuum mechanics can be applied to experimental results to extract materials parameters, such as the interfacial shear strength in an AFM friction measurement, for example. Coming from outside the mechanics community, I can tell you that many other researchers do not appreciate this. Typical physicicists or chemists doing AFM measurements, for example, rarely know how to apply continuum mechanics models to even begin to describe their results. Either they do not believe it will work, or they are not familiar with it to begin. The mechanics community has a lot to contribute here; interdisciplinary research involving mechanics people to help solve research problems in other domains would be valuable. Furthermore, there were also examples where deviation from continuum behavior was evident; Huajian Gao had an example of this. Likewise, the atomic stick-slip behavior I observe is, by its very nature, a non-continuum phenomenon. The question that emerges for me is: when can I safely apply continuum mechanics to model my experiment? Put another way: how far can we take continuum mechanics without serious modifications? It would seem that we need further direct comparisons between atomistic theories and continuum mechanics, with experiments to back up these comparisons. I'm speaking very generally; this includes contact mechanics, fracture mechanics, elasticity, thin film properties mechanical properties etc. Studies that test the validitiy of continuum approaches at this new, small scale of interest should be supported. This would include both experiment and theoretical comparisons. Pushing theoretical and experimental mechanics to smaller scales is absolutely necessary when studying novel materials problems, namely problems involving nano-scale materials (nanotubes, nanowhiskers etc.) and biological moleucular materials. For example, the incredibly high strength of nanotubes and nanowhiskers could presumably be used to great advanatage for improving fiber-reinforced composites. Since these materials are only a few nanometers in width, we cannot use conventional tools for studying their inherent mechanical properties. This is one of many examples that indicate to me that it is important to support instrumentaldevelpment that enables mechanical measurements at the nano-scale. The atomic force microscope is a powerful tool, but there is much more work to be done to improve it and develop new instruments for these purposes. I hope these thoughts are useful, and I would be happy to discuss them with you in further detail. When do you expect to generate a draft report? I am very interested in reading it and providing further feedback. best regards, P.S. I have one more comment to add regarding the NSF workshop, if it is not too late. As we shrink the scale of the materials and devices we are investigating, the larger surface-to-volume ratio will increasingly force us to deal with surface/interface issues. I would suggest that the dreams of "nanotechnology" will not be realized if a better understanding of interfacial adhesion and friction cannot be developed. The control of interfacial forces will be necessary to allow the manipulation and assembly of nano-componenents, for example. This is a wide-open area, and clearly mechanics can and should play a large role. ---------------------------------------------------- http://www.sandia.gov/surface_science/nsom/nsom.htm US Mail: Sandia National Laboratories, MS 1413, Albuquerque, NM, 87185-1413 FedEx, UPS etc: Bldg. 897, Rm. 2012, 1515 Eubank St. SE, Albuquerque, NM, ---------------------Comment by Dr. Yonggang Huang--------------------------------- Even though no one has explicitly defined what nano-mechanics is, the title is self-explained -- mechanics at the nano-scale. At this scale, the boundary between mechanics and physics is not so clear, but nano-mechanics is still unique and is complementary to physics. Molecular dynamics (MD) and other atomistic and quantum simulations in physics certainly play an important role in understanding the material behavior at the nano-scale. However, these physics-based simulations have limitations. For example, the time scale in molecular dynamics is on the order of pico-second, several orders of magnitude smaller than any time scale in real life. Moreover, MD simulations tend to generate tons of data that may overwhelm some key physical parameters. It is therefore important to have a nano-scale continuum mechanics theory to characterize the collective behavior of materials; to extract important information from physics-based simulations; to identify the key physical parameters that govern the material behavior at the nano-scale; and to guide further extensive MD simulations. One example has appeared in the study of carbon nano-tubes. The MD simulation can indeed simulate the deformation pattern of single-wall or multiple-wall carbon nano-tubes. However, in order to extract key parameters governing the deformation of nano-tubes (such as the critical strain triggering different deformation modes), an elastic continuum theory must be used in conjunction with MD simulations (e.g., Yakobson et al., 1996; Lu, 1997; Wong et al., 1997; Yakobson, 1998). This clearly shows that the continuum analysis can indeed capture the deformation modes of nano-tubes observed in MD simulations, though the former is much simpler and more efficient. Therefore, a continuum mechanics at the nano-scale, in conjunction with the MD simulation, is important to nano-scale technology and science. There are many important mechanics issues at the nano-scale. Several are discussed in the following. (1) Development of physics-based nano-scale continuum mechanics theories (2) Development of failure mechanics theories at the nano-scale (3) Multi-scale analysis and scaling laws The development of nano-mechanics represents efforts that must involve multi-scale and multi-disciplinary approaches. As pointed out by several speakers at the workshop, linking length scales is critical to the success of nano-mechanics because each disciplinary has its limitations. The interactions among different disciplines (physics, mechanics, engineering) can help us to gain insights of the nano-scale science and technology; to address cross-disciplinary problems; to identify critical issues at each scale; to determine the key parameters that cannot be obtained at the samescale; and even to develop new theories based on the physical laws at the next scale. Reference ----- Telephone: 217-265-5072 -------------------Comment by Dr. Shefford P. Baker-------------------------------- Dear Kyung-suk, Sorry for the delay in getting my comments to you regarding the workshop in Palo Alto. I found it to be a very interesting workshop and a very good group of people. Thank you for organizing it. I think that periodic meetings like this to try to identify where we should (and should not be) going in this field are very worthwhile. I have only a few remarks to add: During the summary discussion, most folks seemed to be saying that goals in this field are much more complicated than in, say, Biotechnology. I don't think so. I think we have a simple premise -- that things in small dimensions don't behave like things in large dimensions. Therefore, they are interesting to study. I think that the projected outcomes are also fairly simple: Scientifically, by understanding behavior in constrained systems, we learn not only about those constrained systems, but also a lot about larger systems. Technologically, since capability/unit volume represents "power" density, the ability to do more in a smaller volume almost certainly will lead to new wonders. Finally, I think that we pretty much agree on what we need to focus on. We need to integrate our many disparate experimental and model approaches. Learning how to bridge the gaps between them, or at least being able to use the output from one as input for another, will go a long way towards tying all this together. For example, Bill Nix made a very good comment that did not receive as much attention in the discussion as I think it deserved. He noted that it might make more sense to focus on going to more realistic time scales than to larger dimensional scales in certain types of atomistic calculations since this seems to be much more relevant to properties. There are probably many similar areas where input from one side of an interdisciplinary barrier would help to guide efforts on the Also, I think we all agreed that applying the principles of engineering science to biology is a very powerful direction to go. I note that, although there were plenty of simulations, there were painfully few presentations of studies of real microstructures at the workshop. This, I think, is something that is also needed in the future. If we get the chance to have another such workshop in the future, perhaps it would be interesting to have people explicitly present their visions for the future, as well as their current research directions. Thanks again for organizing the workshop with best regards, -- Shef baker Shefford P. Baker Tel: +1 607 255 6679 -------------- Comments by Dr. Demitris Kouris--------------------------- Surface defects and thin-film growth ¡P Defects (adatoms, steps, vacancies, etc) influence thin-film growth. The traditional thermodynamics of wetting does not provide a complete picture of the growth modes observed in a number of technologically important systems. "Wish list" (things to be done) ¡P Verify experimentally the significance of elastic effects; compare with the magnitude of the Schwoebel barrier. Professor Demitris Kouris ------------------------Comments by Dr. Wendy. C. Crone-------------------------- Dear Kyung-Suk, Thank you for inviting me to participate in the Nano and Micromechanics Workshop sponsored by NSF. The experience was a very valuable one for me. I have included a few comments below. Scientific Aspects: The field of mechanics enables the application of basic scientific principles to engineering practice. The workshop presentations made it clear that the application of mechanics to the nano and micro scales will allow us to take full advantage of the opportunities that devices and structures on these length scales provides. One of the hurdles we currently face is the lack of a range of experimental techniques to draw upon. Additional experimental techniques and instrumentation that conduct mechanical testing must be developed for the nano and micro scales so that essential physical quantities can be extracted. The key challenge for experimentalists is to look beyond simply making our standard testing techniques smaller, we also need to think creatively about developing new test methods that lend themselves to the evaluation of material behavior at the nano and micro scales. The focus must be to directly measure variables of real interest to study elastic and The scientific issues we face must be attacked from experimental, analytical and numerical viewpoints simultaneously. Currently, much of the funding structure of NSF makes this difficult. The budget requirements of a truly interdisciplinary proposal which incorporates experimental, analytical and numerical work are too large for the programs which we target. Educational Aspects: >From the breadth of the research presented at the workshop, it is clear that fundamental understanding of mechanics is critical for all engineering majors. The interdisciplinary nature of the research being conducted in mechanics also requires better mechanics backgrounds among affiliated disciplines. In order to make significant changes in engineering education we must take on the task of convincing our collaborators and colleagues in other disciplines. The value of mechanics can be shown in its application to fundamental research problems. We must inform our colleagues of it usefulness. Undergraduate and graduate degree programs in mechanics are also vital. The problem faced by degree programs in mechanics is that interest in this field has been small although the students that are attracted to mechanics form an elite group. More high-caliber students must be recruited through a combined academic/industry effort. Recruiting literature like "Engineering: Your Future" published by ASEE must be revised to include Mechanics as one of the engineering disciplines listed. Industrial leaders must voice their need for students well trained in mechanics in order for high school and undergraduate students to consider the field in larger numbers. The interdisciplinary nature of the field and the research being conducted is a fundamental point of interest that should be advertised. To parallel our research, our students need to be educated in analytical, experimental, and numerical techniques. All of our students certainly are required to master mechanics theory, but each student should also have some level of experience with experimental and numerical analysis techniques. Yours, -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Engineering Physics 608-262-8384 ------------------------Comments by Dr. K. J. Cho-------------------------- Dear Prof. Kim, I have been thinking about replying to your mail on the NSF Workshop for quite a while. ... Since I am new to this micro solid mechanics community, the NSF Workshop was a wonderful opportunity for me to learn about the major current research issues of this field. Personally, I was honered to chair the first session of the workshop, and I was very happy that it went well. Probably due to my background in solid state physics, I have noticed that the atomistic approaches (interatomic potentials and quantum simulations) are still not widely used, and I believe that atomistic simulation combined with new constitutive modeling for micromechanics would be a very fruitful direction to follow in the future. Based on this vision, my research group is currently studying thin film mechanics of metals and semiconductors. KJ ---------------------------------------------------------- Tel: 650-723-4354, Fax: 650-723-1778
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