Interview of Noel Fuster with Dr. Simon Miranda
NOEL FUSTER W/DR. SIMON MIRANDA
11/27/84
Dr. M. This is Tuesday the 27th of November of 1984. Now, I want you to tell me your name.
N. Noel.
Dr. M. Noel what?
N. Noel Fuster.
Dr. M. And how old are you Noel?
N. Seven
Dr. M. Seven years old, I see.
What is your monther's name?
N. Martha Fuster. How you doing?
Dr. M. Fine. Thank-you. And who else lives with you
right now?
N. Martha.
Dr. M. Martha your mother?
N. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Dr. M. Do you have any brother or sister?
N. No.
Dr. M. You Don't?
N. Nah.
Dr. M. I see. And where did you live before you
were living with Martha?
N. I lived in Orlando.
Dr. M. In Orlando. And before you lived in Orlando
where did you live?
N. Miami
Dr. M. In Miami. And who did you live with in Miami?
N. Ileana (Unintelligible) How you doing?
Dr. M. Oh. Fine thank you. Ileana and Who? Oh, Frank?
N. Right.
Dr. M. And who is Frank?
N. Frank is my dad.
Dr. M. Your dad?
N. He's in jail
Dr. M He's in jail? How come?
N. Cause he did something... because one time he
was sick and the police called him and they didn't know he was sick.
Dr. M. He didn't know. And he did somethings because he was sick?
N. Yes
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Dr. M. Tell me about some of the things that he did because he was sick.
N. He forced me and one time he forced me a lot of things and he was sick. Then we took him to the Doctor he was fine then he went to the house to get some clothes then the policemen allover the place and they knew ...but the only think that they knew he was sick.
Dr. M. I see. And I bet you it was very scary when the police came.
N. Yes. Then, then they under arrest him.
Dr. M. They, they put him under arrest?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. And because he was sick he forced you to do a lot of things.
N. Right.
Dr. M. Right. Now, I know that it's kind of embarrassinq to tell some of the things that he forced you to do. Now, remember that he was sick, okay and probably doesn't mean that he didn't want to do those things?
N. No. He didn't wanted to.
Dr. M. He didn't wanted to but, he was sick so he did them, right?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. Now tell me like some of the things he made you do. You can either tell me or you can show me with these dolls.
N. I'll show him with the dolls.
Dr. M. Alright. Okay. Let's say that this is Frank okay and this ---
N. Do you have a knife in here?
Dr. M. A knife? Okay I'll get you a knife.
Okay, you have a knife. Don't, don't cut any- thing, oh, he put the knife in like that?
N. Yes, he put it under his pocket. Here I am in the bathroom he comes and says hey son (un- intelligible) on the floor and say I'm not allowed father. Took out the knife say now I have to do it. I was only four years old
it was sick. And then when I turned five he cut my cake with the same knife. My mom
came, then I had a sore throat and then when he had that I had to (Unintel~igible) on the floor and then the next day happened like this.
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Dr. M. Okay
N. He had a pocket knife in his pocket all day. ' One day I was sleeping he came with this
Dr. M. The knife
N. Knife
Dr. M. I'll open it for you.
N. *Unintelligible)
Dr. M. Oh the knife that you push a button here
and the blade comes right out?
N. Yeah.
Dr. M. Is that the kind that he had?
N. Yeah.
Dr. M. Like you push a button here and the blade
comes out. Like that, okay. And then when you were in the bed ...
N. When I was in the bed ...
Dr. M. He came ...
N. He came carried the knife, cut a little bit
of my sock.
Dr. M. Cut a little bit of your sock
N. Yes off.
Dr. M. Okay
N. Then he came and said "Son" I mean he didn't
say no son he came here and stick his penis in my mouth when I didn't know.
Dr. M. I see. Let me see
N. Then, then he came
Dr. M. Like, like this
N. Right
Dr. M. And he put right in there, in your mouthi ..
N. And afterwards he came here and ...
Dr. M. Did he have the knife also there?
N. Yeah.
Dr. M. That day?
N. Yeah, he went like this. Then after this
he cut his self there.
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Dr. M. He cut himself in his back?
N. Yeah
Dr. M. Like in his buttocks. After he did it?
N. I was waking up, I came, he came with a knife
put it in there, there, there (unintelligible) and there. And my mom got sick. He didn't do anything before the miscarried the baby.
Dr. M. He didnft do anything to what?
N. My mom didn't ...Then my mom took him to the hospital he was fine, he got some (un- intelligible) and they under arrest him. The only thing I know, he was sick.
Dr. M. I see. Now, besides putting his penis in your mouth how many times did he do that?
N. Two.
Dr. M. Two times?
N. Two times.
Dr. M. Two times. Now, what about, what about this,
did he put this in his mouth?
N. Did I?
Dr. M. No, did he put your penis in your mouth?
Like that. Without you wanting to do it,
but he just put it. Did he take your penis in his mouth like this?
N. No. He took off his clothes and put his penis in my mouth.
Dr. M. Oh, I see okay. Now did you see him
also put his penis in other kid's mouths?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. How many? What are the names of the other kids?
N. One. One.
Dr. M. What is the name of that kid?
N. Justin and Brooke.
Dr. M. Justin and what?
N. Brooke.
Dr. M. Brooke?
N. Right.
Dr. M. So there are two of them?
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N. Yes.
Dr. M. That he put it, the same thing he did to your mouth ...
N. Yes.
Dr. M. He did it to their mouth?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. And who else was looking when he did that?
N. Nobody else.
Dr. M. Who was there? You and Justin and Brooke?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. What other things did you see the other
kids see the day that he put his penis in you mouth?
N. Today?
Dr. M. Were the other kids looking?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. Who else was looking?
N. Justin and Brooke were looking and then he did
it to them and I was looking.
Dr. M. When he did it to them you were looking?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. And when he put his penis in your mouth who
else was looking?
N. Justin and Brooke.
Dr. M. And what other kids were looking?
N. Then he did it to Brooke and Justin.
Dr. M. He put his penis in their mouth?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. Were they sleeping or awake?
N. Awake.
Dr. M. Awake? Did they like it?
N. No.
Dr. M. No? Were they scared?
N. Yes
Dr. M. Were they dancing that day? Or there was another
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Dr. M. day they were dancing?
N. Another day they were dancing naked.
Dr. M. Who were all the kids that were dancing
naked?
I
N. Justin and Brooke, maybe Tiffany, I don't
know.
i Dr. M. Tell me just the ones that you remember I
Justin
N. Brooke and that's all.
Dr. M. And, and maybe Tiffany?
N. Maybe
Dr. M. Let's see. Do we need to put a bandaid on it?
Now, which mother you say that took him to the hospital after he ...
N. They took him to the hospital.
Dr. M. Which mother? Ileana or this mother?
N. Ileana.
Dr. M. Oh, Ileana.
N. You know... now, this is Brooke and this is
Justin dancing naked like that.
Dr. M. Dancing naked together like that. What about the penis going ...
N. They were rubbing each other.
Dr. M. Oh, they were rubbing the penis of each Qther like that? Okay. Tell me some of the t~ings they did when they were dancing naked.
N. They kissed.
Dr. M. They kissed okay. What else?
N. They played ring around the rosy (unintelligible)
Dr. M. And then they fell down?
N. Yeah.
Dr. M. And when they fell down did any time one of
them go like this?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. On each other one?
N. Yeah.
Dr. M. Like that?
N. Yeah
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Dr. M. On top of the other?
N. Uh huh
Dr. M. Did they try to, to put the penis someplace?
When they were on top of the other?
N. No. Just on the butt.
Dr. M. Just on the butt, now, what about this, did,
did Justin do this to Brooke like that? With his hand?
N. No.
Dr. M. No. How about did he give him a kiss anywhere besides his mouth?
N. No.
Dr. M. Remember real well.
N. The only place that he kissed him was on the
mouth.
Dr. M. Justin kissing Brooke?
N. Yes.
Dr. M--- What about Tiffany?
N. Tiffany I don't know.
Dr. M. Was she also dancing naked?
N. I don't know, I don't know her.
Dr. M. Oh, I thought you mentioned a girl named
Tiffany.
N. Tiffany? I don't know her, but I know the name because (unintelligible)
Dr. M. What were the names of all the other kids
that came to the house? Justin, Brooke ...
N. Todd, Brian, Stephanie is one of them but I don't know.
Dr. M. Oh, Stephanie. I thought that you were saying Tiffany but it's Stephanie?
N. No. Tiffany, with a T.
Dr. M. With a T. Okay you said ...
N. T, I, F ...
Dr. M. Brian, who else did you say, Jeff?
N. Todd
Dr. M. Oh, Todd, who else?
N. Brian
Dr. M. Brian, Justin
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N. Brian.
Dr. M. Stephanie
N. No Stephanie
Dr. M. Oh, no Stephanie.
N. Brian
Dr. M Brian, Tiffany
N. Where's Brian up there?
Dr. M. Right there
N. Tiffany there? And Jonathan
Dr. M. Jonathan?
N. Do you know this is great. Urn, let me see,
Jonathan is ...spell it. Jonathan is ... Spell it
Dr. M. Jonathan is ...
N. Jonathan is Justin's brother.
Dr. M. Is he little or bigger than Justin?
N. He's verylittle real little he's only two
years old.
Dr. M. Two years old?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. Now, was he naked any time?
N. Only when he taked off his shirt. Only when
he's hot he take off his shirt. But, he
wasn't naked. He took off his shirt because he was so hot.
Dr. M. Okay. But, he was not dancing naked?
N. No.
Dr. M. And how come they were naked dancing?
N. Because they see some people do it. Maybe
they saw when their father and mother were kissing naked one time or maybe ...
Dr. M. Their father, or your father and mother?
N. Maybe their father and mother want little baby maybe they kissed or maybe they see people kiss.
Dr. M. I see. Now did you see your father and your
mother like this is your mother and that's your father did you see them kissing one time?
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N. Yes.
Dr. M. Naked?
N. No.
Dr. M. No? N. No.
Dr. M. Oh, I thought you had seen them.
N. Justin did
Dr. M. Oh, Justin saw them kissing naked. Did
he see them doing something else?
N. Yes, kissing on mouth on bed.
Dr. M. Kissing the mouth and they were naked?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. Did he see, did he see your dad do something
else to your mom like get on top of her?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. He saw that?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. And if this is yourmom here okay, you're
talking about Ileana right?
N. It's a naked problem that's what it is.
Dr. M. It's a naked what?
N. Problem.
Dr. M. Problem?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. A naked problem?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. Okay. So she was naked and he was naked too?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. Was is it that Justin told you that he was
naked?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. How old is Justin?
N. He's only six years old.
Dr. M. Six ye~rs old. Okay then Justin saw him
kissing her like that?
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N. Yes.
Dr. M. And what else was he doing?
N. Just kissing.
Dr. M. Just kissing?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. How about his penis? Where was his penis
when he was kissing her?
N. Over here
Dr. M. Right over there?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. Like that?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. Now, did you see that too?
N. See what?
Dr. M. Who else ...
N. No, no, no, no, just Justin.
Dr. M. And then he told you?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. So, he, he saw mom and dad doing that?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. Did he see dad put ...
N. They were sick.
Dr. M. They were sick?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. When they were doing that?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. Was he sick and he did that too?
N. They were sick in their brain.
Dr. M. Did he do this to her?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. Is that what Justin mentioned to you?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. Okay. How about his doing this?
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N. What?
Dr. M. Did he do that to her?
N. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes etc.
Dr. Mr. And he had put his penis in her mouth?
N. Yes, yes, yes.
Dr. M. Now, how many times did you see that?
N. I dind't see it.
Dr. M. You didn't sse it?
N. Justin told me.
Dr. M. Justin told you that he saw that. Did they,
did they show Justin or you ...
N. What?
Dr. M. Did they show Justin or you or Brian,
or Todd some movies, pictures?
N. Pictures, yes. There were pictures.
Dr. M. Pictures of people that were naked?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. And wha t were they doing when they were
naked?
N. (Unintelligible) naked.
Dr. M. Huh?
N. People were not naked.
Dr. M. People were not naked?
N. In the pictures?
Dr. M. And then pictures of people naked?
N. No. They're not naked.
Dr. M. Oh, not naked.
N. I want to play (unintelligible)
Dr. M. Let's, let's just finish and then, and then
we play. Okay. What were they doing, those people?
N. Just kissing that's all.
Dr. M. Kissing?
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N. Yes.
Dr. M. Kissing What? Mouth or kissing other things?
N. Kissing everything.
Dr. M. Kissing everything?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. Their butt?
N. That's the only thing they didn't.
Dr. M. Not the butt. But, they kissed penis?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. And they kissed ...What do you called the
thing that the girls have here? You know .. .
N. What?
Dr. M. There.
N. In the middle?
Dr. M. Right.
N. Pee Pee.
Dr. M. Pee Pee.
N. Why do you, why do you always embarrassed
to say it?
Dr. M. Huh?
N. Why is everybody always embarrassed to say it?
Dr. M. No, I'm not embarrassed to say it.
N. No, you say what is this when you know.
Dr. M. Well, I just want to know what name you usJ
because some people call it vagina, some people call it Pee Pee you know, I just want to know
whatever name you use. But, I'm not embarrassed. Are you embarrassed a little bit sometimes?
N. Yeah.
Dr. M. Yeah it's embarrassing. Now, but I, I want to
help your daddy get well okay. And, and the more things that ...
N. Are you a policeman?
Dr. M. No, I am a psychologist.
N. I (unintelligible) a lawyer?
Dr. M. No I'm not a lawyer, I'm a doctor.
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N. When I grow up I'm gonna be a lawyer.
Dr. M. You are?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. I see. Now, is there anything that you're forgetting that your daddy did?
N. No, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Dr. What, what? Tell me that thing that you're forgetting.
N. I'm forgetting that he also did it to Tiffany, I remembered it.
Dr. M. I see. Put his what? What did he do? Put
his ...Noel tambien anadio que su madre Ileana el le llama madre igualmente le puso su
el le llama pipi, a los otros ninos y dice que esto se lo contaron los otros ninos a
el. Y el niega que le hallan hecho nada, que Ileana le hiciera nada a el mismo.
Dr. M. What were you afraid of?
N. That I was just so embarrassed oh look at
all these tapes. Can I keep one and make a noise on it? Make a sound on it ...
Dr. M. Urn ...I'll give you another one okay?
N. Okay.
Dr. M. A short one. Now you said that you were
embarrassed...
N. Yes.
Dr. M. To, to say these things
N. Yes
Dr. M. It's embarrassing isn't it?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. Yeah. But, we want to help your daddy okay?
Now, you said before that was it Justin that did dance together with Brian up and down like that naked?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. Now did anybody dance. ..
N. Like this? (sings)
And this is Brooke and this is Justin.
Dr. M. Okay. And, and who's that? This is Justin and who's that?
N. Brooke:
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Dr. M. Huh?
N. This is Brooke and that's Justin.
Dr. M. Brooke. But, Brooke is a boy Huh?
N. No, Brooke is a girl.
Dr. M. Oh, Brooke is a girl? I see. How about
Justin doing that to Brooke. Did he?
N. Yeah.
Dr. M. He did? He put his penis in her mouth?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. Now, did he try to put his penis here in
the other placer in her Pee Pee?
N. Pee Pee? Yes.
Dr. M. Huh? He did?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. Did he put it in?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. Now who did you dance with because you haven't told me that part?
N. Dance with? Nobody!
Dr. M. Come on, you're embarrassed to tell me?
N. Uh, Uh (No) I wasn't, I wasn't. I told
my mom and dad.
Dr. M. Huh?
N. I told my mom and dad.
Dr. M. What did you tell them?
N. I told them that they were dancing naked.
Dr. M. I see. Now, let me ask you this. You tell me
that you did not
N. I did not do anything. I wasn't sick. Only Ileana was sick, Frank was sick and Justin was sick and Brooke was sick and Tiffany was sick.
Dr. M. How about Todd?
N. Todd? He was only a little baby.
Dr. M. And Jonathan?
N. Jonathan was only two years old (unintellig~ble) A little kid.
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Dr. M. I see. And you were not sick anytime?
N. No.
Dr. M. You did not do anything that ...
N. No.
Dr. M. Maybe you were sick but you're not sick anymore
so you won't ...
N. I had just had a little disease from my dad, but I wasn't sick from the brain.
Dr. M. Oh I see. I see. Okay, so that's all that happened Huh?
N. Yes.
Dr. M. Now try to remember real hard to see if anything else happened so that we can ...
N. Nothing happened please let me go now! Can I play battleship?
Dr. M. Yeap. We're going to. I want to hear this (unintelligible) Bye!