www.dichtung-digital.de/2001/06/09-Federman

From Surfiction to Hypertext
Interview with Raymond Federman

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RS: In your manifesto The Real Begins Where the Spectacle Ends you are giving an disillusioning and alarming report on how the world is represented today: "Now, and without any doubt more than ever, the derealizing flux of media images runs away with our powers of discernment, our conscience, our lives, and of course our writing. It forces us to surrender to what can only be called, in a strict sense, the fabulous and seductive grasp of spectacle." How does the aesthetics of spectacle take over current life and what are the consequences for us and our culture?

RF: Let me first say that I greatly admire and sometime enjoy what television does, even if it does it badly. My point is that television (and all the other electronic media that bombard us with images and verbal delirium) is what prevents us to see the reality of our world, however troublesome this reality may be. Everything that is happening in the world is filtered through television (and the other electronic media, including the internet). There is nothing wrong with that, except that reality (and what happens there) comes to us second-hand, one might say. It comes to us transformed, manipulated, glorified, sublimated, distorted of course, interfered with. In the process, the truth of an event never reaches us directly. But indirectly. We must now learn to live with this condition. Television is here to stay.

My argument is that literature (or what passes for literature in our decadent culture) too often tries to imitate what television does. Functions like television both in form and content. Most novels written these days are mere imitations of what television shows us, and of how it is shown. The problem with this is that television thinks with the mentality of a six year old. As a result, the novels that function like television lack intelligence. And worse, they present themselves as being realistic, but in fact they give a false representation of reality. This does not mean that I am asking for a return to good old 19th century realism. On the contrary. I would like the novel to be again the region of great fabulation. But this requires imagination and intelligence. Yes what makes great literature is imagination and intelligence. Or to put it in simpler terms. Writing is imagining while thinking.

The consequences of this for us and our culture? Gradually we will forget to think, because television is doing our thinking. Gradually will stop imagining because television will imagine for us. Of course when I say television I really mean the big businesses that control television with their advertisements. And if it is not the businesses, then it is the government which imposes its rules and regulations and even dictate or censure what television can say and show. The ideal situation would be for each one of us to control a television channel in order to have direct access to the world. As long as television will be controlled by the few who are in power (politically or economically) reality will always be falsified.

Have I answered your question? Probably not. I am known for being evasive and ambiguous, and even contradictory. But at least I answered. That much can be said. Now to the next question.

RS: You made your point very clear. It makes me wonder what role the Internet is to play in this setting. I remember Robert Coover complaining about the increase in the number of images on the web. According to him, the web has not been very hospitable to serious hyperfiction, but rather has supported superficial, opportunistic events, since "it tends to be a noisy, restless, opportunistic, superficial, e-commerce-driven, chaotic realm ... in which the quiet voice of literature cannot easily be heard." (article in FEED, German translation) Is the Internet the paradise of spectacle?

RF: I would rather say the purgatory of literature. Yes literature (whether called surfiction or hyperfiction) has not yet found its way into the internet. It is stranded in the antechamber of technical gimmicks. It cannot decide if it wants to become totally iconic or if it wants to preserve what is essential to literature, language. Literature has its place on the internet - but as literature and now as spectacle only. But already there is some real internet literature in some not yet discovered corners of cyberspace. Who knows this fabulous avant-garde zine, THE DELUXE RUBBER CHICKEN. Who knows the very smart zine called ELECTRONIC BOOK REVIEW [ebr], and then of course there is ALTX.

To get back to the topic at hand: the role the internet can play to accommodate good interesting imaginative experimental innovative out of this world literature. It's easy. Let the real writers in, and not just the technicians. Offer them space, time, retribution even, and you'll find a flock of writers making great literature on the net.

RS: In your manifesto you ask whether it is possible for fiction to "survive the kind of reduction, the kind of banalization that mass media imposes on contemporary culture". Some answers are provided in your lectures on poetics in Hamburg in 1990, where you call for surfiction and critifiction. What is behind these new terms?

RF: I knew you were going to ask that question. Do you know how many people in the world have asked me to explain what is Surfiction, that by now were I to give another definition, I would probably contradict myself. So, to be on the safe side, what I can recommend for those who are still in the dark about surfiction and how it functions, is to suggest that these people go to the library and check out the book entitled Surfiction: Fiction Now... and Tomorrow... and read the essay "Surfiction: Four Propositions in the Form of an Introduction" [pages 5-l5]. A slightly different version can also be found in Partisan Review (1973, Volume XL, no. 3). For those who do not read English, that Surfiction essay has been translated into seventeen languages.

As for Critifiction, again I can only suggest that those interested consult the collection of essays by that title published by SUNY-Press, in 1993. The essays are self-explanatory and illustrate how fiction becomes criticism, and how criticism become fiction, or how criticism and fiction create a new genre.

But without being facetious, let me try once more to give a brief definition of the terms Surfiction and Critifiction.

Surfiction: All fiction is written on top of another fiction, and that's because language itself is a fiction. The fact of telling or writing a story, the fact of relating an event (even an historical event) always distorts, or rather fictionalizes that story or that event -- fictionalizes it, in the sense that it displaces the story or the event from reality into the realm of the imaginary. Or to put it differently. Surfiction makes not distinction between memory and imagination. Surfiction makes not distinction between what really happened in the world in the past and what it imagines happened. As such Surfiction liberates itself from the conventions of realism, and erases the lines between past, present and future. Since language is what get us where we want to go while preventing us from getting there, since language is both a vehicle of communication and an obstacle to communication, or, as the great Samuel Beckett once put it, "Language a rumor transmissible ad infinitum in either direction", the truth of an event can never be told or written. Therefore, Surfiction no longer pretends to tell the truth, but rather it denounces the lie of realism, but tells the truth about its own fraudulence.

Critifiction: Just as Surfiction erases the lines between memory and imagination, between the real and the imaginary, between past, present, and future. Critifiction erases the line between genres. A piece of critifictional writing brings together fragments of fiction, poetry, theory, criticism, quotation, misquotation, pla[y]giarism, or whatever is available to the writer. As such, Critifiction becomes digressive and discontinuous. So one can say that Critifiction invented intertextuality and hypertextuality.

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