In this 1988 interview with his daughter, Rebecca Krawiec ‘90, Steven S. Krawiec contributes fascinating insights regarding both the social and academic relationships between Brown University men and Pembroke College women in the early 1960s. Krawiec begins by providing a short biography of his parents’ educations and careers, and explains how he came to attend Brown. He goes on to describe his freshman year - including his first day at Brown, his roommate, courses he took, and his dormitory. Krawiec spends the majority of his interview reflecting on the perception of Pembroke women by Brown men, discussing gender divisions in both the academic and social contexts. He considers the dating atmosphere at Brown, and the impression that male students dated Pembroke women for casual companionship while pursuing more established relationships with women from other schools. He speaks on gender rules and regulations at Pembroke versus Brown, and the stricter curfews women were subject to. He then reflects on the Pembroke-Brown merger in 1971, which struck him as very much in the spirit of the times. He ends his interview by considering the gendered environment at Brown in the 1960s.